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hello everyone and welcome to today's

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update on the progress being made on the

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orion spacecraft ahead of its first trip

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to space later this year

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here at kennedy space center orion's

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heat shield was recently attached to the

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crew module

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and just last week it was stacked on top

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of the service module marking two

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significant steps towards its

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flight test and developing the

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spacecraft that will eventually send

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humans to mars

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to talk about the progress being made

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here and to highlight the upcoming

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flight test our nasa administrator

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charlie bolden

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orion program manager mark guyer

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lockheed martin's orion program manager

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cleon lacefield

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and kennedy space center director bob

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for those of you watching on tv or

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through the web today

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we'll take questions from you via social

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media you can ask questions using the

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hashtag

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and we'll start off with a few opening

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remarks so charlie if you'd like to

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start us off thanks very much thank you

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first of all thanks very much for uh

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everybody coming today this is a big

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deal uh for us

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and um i was trying to think of how to

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relate this to something that that all

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of you can can wrap your minds around

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but as i look out there

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the unfortunate thing is that most of

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you are too young

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uh to be able to relate but how many of

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you remember alt does that ring a bell

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anybody know what alt was

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how about approach and landing test

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okay you remember out at edwards air

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force base when we

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took the space shuttle and we dropped it

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the 747 because we wanted to make sure

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it could fly

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and uh and it did pretty well well

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if you want to try to relate what's

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about to happen in december to something

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that that all of you can relate to

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this is sort of like the first of

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however many flights of alt

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that we're gonna do uh with orion

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right in front of behind me but in front

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of you

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is a tangible piece of our path to mars

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an orion spacecraft that's going to

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travel farther into space than humans

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have gone for 40 years

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over the past four years nasa has been

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implementing the nasa authorization act

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of 2010 which was enacted on a broad

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bipartisan basis i know you all find

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that hard to believe

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but it actually was enacted on a broad

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bipartisan basis and reflects agreements

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between the congress and the

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administration on the nation's next

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steps in space

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exploration flight test one or eft one

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as we call it call it is a critical part

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of that strategy and a big step uh

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forward on the path to mars

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the test demonstrates how bob cabana and

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the kennedy space center team continue

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to transform this center into a

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multi-user facility capable of many

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different kinds of launches

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and it's possible possibly the most

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significant human space flight milestone

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this year pointing toward our return

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with humans to deep space

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sustained investment in nasa technology

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advances the agency's exploration

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capabilities

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and supports the innovations

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in the innovation economy

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we need to keep doing that in order to

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reach an asteroid in mars and other

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destinations in the future

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as mark guyer can tell you about in

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great detail

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orion's flight test will stress systems

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critical to safety including the heat

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when was the last time you saw a vehicle

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that could reach a speed this is a

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okay this is not rhetorical

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when was the last time that you saw

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a vehicle that could reach a speed of 20

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000 miles per hour and a temperature of

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1975.

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that's absolutely right apollo solutes

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this test is going to show us a lot

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before orion carries humans on missions

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to explore an asteroid and eventually

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mars

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it gives us the chance to see how this

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vehicle will perform in the orbital

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environment as it faces some of the

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challenges that will endure on future

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missions to space

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that's incredibly exciting for me

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and i couldn't be happier to see the

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full system integration of orion

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proceeding so well

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while orion hardware has been tested

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extensively on the ground putting the

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spacecraft through its paces in space

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provides data you just can't get here on

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right now nasa's building on knowledge

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gained through the international space

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station and more than 50 years of human

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space flight experience

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solving difficult challenges that will

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enable humans to safely explore deep

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space what you see here today is a

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critical part of that strategic work

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it's not often you get this close to

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something that's bound for space

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and we look forward to telling you more

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about orion and our path to mars and

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since i don't i'm not the detailed guy

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and i probably couldn't answer the

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details if you tried me

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i have my trusty friend behind me and

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i'm going to ask mark guyer the orion

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program manager to step up and make a

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few remarks before we take your go on

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uh a couple more remarks before we take

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thank you charlie and thanks everybody

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for coming today it's a big day for us

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to actually stack these two elements

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together we'll finish now the integrated

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testing between the two and then we'll

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send it off to get fueled and then

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stacked on the rocket as charlie said

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we're going to launch in less than six

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so this spacecraft of course is the the

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first human exploration spacecraft

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now over 30 years it's a big deal and

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it's the product of

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a very dedicated workforce that believes

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that keeping america first in space

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exploration is critical

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the the launch itself coming up in six

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months is going to be very is going to

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be uh visible evidence

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that we are still exploring but there's

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other visible pieces that you can see

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that show us how we're feeding forward

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to the next launches when you when you

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come here and see the same event for

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em-1 and em-2 you would notice it's

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going to look remarkably similar and i

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don't mean just the outer

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mould line but actually the guts of the

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spacecraft that's because all of these

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systems that are flying on eft-1 were

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designed from the beginning to be

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human-rated to be able to fly people on

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and now we're actually not just drawings

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and powerpoint but we actually put it

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into hardware assemble it and now we're

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in some cases we found things we can

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make lighter for example the heat shield

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so it was a huge experience for us to

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in some cases we found ways to make it

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cheaper on the next one for example if

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you think about the cone up there at the

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top the green part we found a way to

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make that in fewer parts

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we're going to update it and save money

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computer system that's on this bird

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will be exactly the same on the next

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flights except we'll add another string

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of redundancy because on a test flight

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we don't need it but when we fly people

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we'll have three strings

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software which is always a challenge

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flying people on the manned flight we

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already half of the software is done

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tested and we'll fly on eft one

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so we have more work to go to get to em1

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and em2 but this flight not just the

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launch in december but the work that

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it sets us up very well for the next

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so now what i want to do is introduce

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of why we are here today and he's going

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to describe more about the mission

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with the orion vehicle we're calling it

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countdown clock that we're seeing over

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during that flight orion will travel 15

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times further out into space than the

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space station is currently today

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we're getting out of the flight with

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the checkout of all the systems the

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computers the software the guidance and

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the separation events the heat shield

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spacecraft that we will be building for

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the exploration missions one and two

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that are coming up later in this decade

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this flight will be an uncrude

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launch on a delta iv heavy

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it will launch from pad 37 at cape

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and it will travel 3 600 miles beyond

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lower low earth orbit and re-enter at

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approximately 20 000 miles per hour and

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splash down on in the pacific ocean

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where the u.s navy and and nasa ground

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personnel will recover the spacecraft

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the entire flight will take about four

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as far as the timeline goes

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jettison those are those big white

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fairings that are that are shown right

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orion in

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the orbit to create the high uh reentry

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velocity at 3 hours and 45 minutes the

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crew module will separate from the

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service module in the upper stage at 4

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hours 15 minutes the crew module begins

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to encounter earth's atmosphere

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and at 4 hours and 20 minutes the ford

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bay cover is jettisoned allowing the

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shoots to deploy which happens about two

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seconds later

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in about four hours and 25 minutes the

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vehicle splashes down into the

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pacific ocean

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and it is recovered by the

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navy and nasa ground operations

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personnel

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the vehicle will be transported back

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here and we will actually reuse this

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vehicle for an ascent abort flight test

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prior to

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em2 and with that i'd like to

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turn over

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the discussion to the center director mr

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thanks cleon well for the first time

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since we went to the moon

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we're stacking a vehicle in this high

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bay

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that will allow us to explore beyond our

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home planet and one day put boots on

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mars and that's pretty darn exciting

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this is a world-class manufacturing

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facility with a world-class team

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operating it and i want to thank the

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state of florida for helping to make it

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possible and i commend the lockheed

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martin team on the outstanding job that

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they've done manufacturing and

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processing orion for its flight test

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this december

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we are well on our way to establishing a

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human presence in our solar system

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and when we leave planet earth to do it

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we're going to be leaving from right

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here at the kennedy space center i

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couldn't be more proud of this team in

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what we're doing in the path that we

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have going forward so to everyone thanks

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for your outstanding support and go

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okay we're going to take

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questions from those here and as a

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reminder for those who are going to be

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up at the mic please

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be sure to state your name and

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affiliation and direct your question to

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a particular person if you can and then

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for those uh watching from afar as a

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reminder you can

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ask your question on social media using

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the hashtag

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asknasa

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first question go ahead irene thanks

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irene klotz with uh reuters and space

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news um

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uh for uh mr lightsfield uh when is that

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the ascent aboard is scheduled in 2018

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and it has to happen before em2 because

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it's part of the certification before we

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have

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the astronauts on board the vehicle

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thanks and how many capsules is lockheed

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martin currently under contract to build

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we will be building this one and two

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hi dan billow from wesh tv a question

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for general bolden

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um what

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what year will the first

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astronaut climb aboard one of these

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ships as far as you know and is it is it

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a little hard to sustain uh momentum for

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a for a grand mission to uh asteroids

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and mars when you're not flying uh

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people very often we had conversation

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about that this morning with some of the

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young leaders here as well as the the

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senior leadership and um it's not hard

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to maintain momentum among the workforce

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the the momentum that's difficult is

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among many of you the

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you know the general public people who

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don't who aren't around this every

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single day the in terms of the specific

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year that will actually fly i assume

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that's what you mean

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a a human launch is in the

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2019-2020 time frame if i remember

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correctly 2021

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um but we have already had

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humans in the spacecraft and and we've

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got doug hurley and and rex waldheim who

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are back here in the blue suits

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and they're here to answer all the hard

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questions but uh they can you know i

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would recommend that when you have an

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opportunity to talk to them

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ask them about what kind of training or

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what kind of preparation is going on in

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the astronaut office how do they get

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prepared so they're probably going to be

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the ones that tell us when they're ready

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to start getting fully integrated into

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the system itself but but the 2020 2021

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time frame is when we hope to fly the

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first the first human rated mission

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hi kalarama with wkmg can you talk about

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the cameras attached so uh we could talk

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about the views that you'll get in orbit

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yes he can

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so we

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uh we thought about that quite a bit

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some of it is so that we can share that

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with the public a lot of it is for uh

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engineering data so we can see things so

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we'll have cameras that watch the

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separation events or the fairings

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uh coming off the side these big

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fairings on the side we have cameras

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that'll watch the launch abort system

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ogive separate

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we'll have cameras that watch the

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parachutes unfurl we have cameras out

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the windows so we'll see some of those

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events and probably some during entry so

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we get we're gonna have a lot of good

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hi stephen clark with space flight now

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uh first for mr guy or mr lace field

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placefield can you tell us what it's

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going to look like inside this

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spacecraft

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uh when it flies on eft-1 and i have

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another follow-up as well

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yes so this uh inside it will look

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exactly the avionics bay which is where

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all the computers and all the cooling

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system will look exactly like it will

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look on the manned flight when we

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actually put people inside but it's

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basically once you come in the hatch

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there's a there's a platform

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that you would step onto below that is

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where the computers are attached and

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then connected on the inside

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eventually when we fly people though

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they'll obviously be the seats

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the other stowage areas and then the

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displays and controls

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on this flight though we do fly some

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what we call mass simulators so we

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actually have a mass simulator for

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displays and control panels so you look

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looked in there there'd be this metal

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thing

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that represents a display and control

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panel because we need to understand in

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the environments we see

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how that mass reacts with the structure

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so when we fly the real one we know it

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but obviously it doesn't need the

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switches and all the other stuff that's

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a part of that

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and for administrator bolden um i wanted

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to get your thoughts on

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whether you think it's time for

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america to invest in a new rocket engine

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to replace the rd-180 i think it's

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premature to think about investing in a

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new rocket engine we we've also been

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discussing this quite a bit

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you know what we encourage people to do

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is think about what it is you want to do

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and our focus is on access

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to space how do we provide

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uh routine reliable access to space and

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so if you get focused on a specific

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engine uh you may ask yourself then okay

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what do we what vehicle are we going to

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put it on everything else

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so

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nasa's approach is let's focus on access

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to space we've decided that for low

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earth orbit and to to make a sustainable

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low earth orbit infrastructure that

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we're going to need

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for the future flights of orion on sls

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to go to deep space

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that's why we work with our industry

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partners to develop commercial crew and

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cargo capability because they're the

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ones that provide the routine access to

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low earth orbit so that we have a place

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that we can go and come from

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uh our job right now is to provide the

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vehicle that can that can get us access

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to deep space and that's why our focus

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on sls on orion right now

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with our international partners we

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continue to work with them i think most

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of you know that the service module

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for orion is going to be prepared by the

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european space agency

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you know lockheed martin as the prime

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contractor for orion is working with

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them already so

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we're looking at all of those kinds of

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things but we're focused on access and

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not specific um specific uh

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vehicles if you will are engines to get

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uh james d in florida today i think

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questions maybe for mark or or for

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whomever um

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it sounds like you got you know quite a

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lot of capability in this vehicle ready

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to go i'm just

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wondering if you can discuss a little

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more why is it going to take so long to

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get to that first crude flight

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is it more a function of waiting for sls

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or you know why does it take seven more

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years minimum to to get from this stage

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to your

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crew ready vehicle yeah good question

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because we we have a lot on this vehicle

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so in this vehicle we do as i mentioned

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the parachutes the structure the heat

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shield those were big risk items you

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could think of schedule risk items but

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we still have a lot of work in the

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service module area some of which is

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going to do which takes time they just

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finish their pdr

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we also have to work then on the

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the rest of the eclipse life support

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system the crew displays the crew seats

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all those kind of internal things and

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then the other part that is a little

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hard to describe but we have a

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qualification program where you take the

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unit and you actually test it to the

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extremes

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where you actually uh

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all your acoustics loads all the other

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thermal environments that testing

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program on the test unit takes time and

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money to do and you want to make sure

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you've tested it on the ground before

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you actually put the people in space so

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it's the combination of all those pieces

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and the and the and the flatline budget

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uh and some of our fixed costs that

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drive the the schedule to the right

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answer your question sure okay and

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could you uh talk about about what

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elsing is going to be needed to again

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get from this first crew vehicle to

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what other systems are going to be

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needed to enable a mars type mission

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obviously it's not just this little

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capsule that's going to

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make that journey um

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how much more is needed to to

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to do a mission to mars or or land

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anywhere

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good question so orion

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uh can fit in all these architectures

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the part it provides really is the

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providing a safe place for the crew to

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operate and it gets them out of earth

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orbit and then eventually back safely on

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the ground so that's the part it

563
00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:53,120
provides and it provides a capability

564
00:20:57,029 --> 00:20:54,960
to support the crew for a certain number

565
00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:57,039
of days four people for 21 days gives

566
00:21:01,029 --> 00:20:58,640
you a sense but when you're going all

567
00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:01,039
the way to mars which can be

568
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:03,760
you know nine months to a year one way

569
00:21:07,669 --> 00:21:05,280
you're going to need a bigger hab module

570
00:21:09,510 --> 00:21:07,679
obviously more supplies and bigger

571
00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:09,520
propellant systems to do that so that's

572
00:21:12,390 --> 00:21:10,720
the part that would need to be added

573
00:21:14,149 --> 00:21:12,400
later

574
00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:14,159
yeah sorry let me add another thing

575
00:21:18,149 --> 00:21:16,880
james it's really important to me as

576
00:21:20,390 --> 00:21:18,159
administrator

577
00:21:21,430 --> 00:21:20,400
in order to get humans to mars that's

578
00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:21,440
hard

579
00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:24,080
so we need to we need to we all need to

580
00:21:28,149 --> 00:21:26,400
agree with that whether you accept my

581
00:21:29,830 --> 00:21:28,159
statement there or not

582
00:21:31,270 --> 00:21:29,840
is immaterial to be quite honest it's

583
00:21:34,149 --> 00:21:31,280
hard to do this

584
00:21:35,830 --> 00:21:34,159
um we have to be able to guarantee that

585
00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:35,840
we can safely

586
00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:37,760
get humans through the the environment

587
00:21:41,350 --> 00:21:39,520
of radiation and everything else and we

588
00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:41,360
have a we work with a matrix two

589
00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:43,280
matrices as a matter of fact one of them

590
00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:45,440
deals with a human body with our human

591
00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:48,000
performance and human survival and our

592
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:49,679
matrix says that using the international

593
00:21:55,029 --> 00:21:51,840
space station is the dominant platform

594
00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:55,039
for development of of procedures and

595
00:22:00,070 --> 00:21:57,280
protective devices and the like we're

596
00:22:02,149 --> 00:22:00,080
probably out to 2026

597
00:22:04,149 --> 00:22:02,159
before we buy down enough risk that

598
00:22:06,149 --> 00:22:04,159
we're willing to ethically put humans on

599
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:06,159
a spacecraft and try to send them to

600
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:10,240
mars we're probably out to 2025 2026

601
00:22:14,710 --> 00:22:12,480
from a technological perspective

602
00:22:16,789 --> 00:22:14,720
before we have we have the knowledge on

603
00:22:19,669 --> 00:22:16,799
the environmental system because unlike

604
00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:19,679
space station where if an ammonia pump

605
00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:20,640
breaks

606
00:22:26,549 --> 00:22:23,120
we put it on a you know something on a

607
00:22:28,870 --> 00:22:26,559
spacex dragon or a cygnus or a progress

608
00:22:30,789 --> 00:22:28,880
and we send up a component we can't do

609
00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:30,799
that on the way to mars so

610
00:22:36,390 --> 00:22:33,520
mark's got to have i've got to give him

611
00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:36,400
a capability to build a much more

612
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:38,480
resilient environmental control and life

613
00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:40,720
support system than we have today we

614
00:22:44,390 --> 00:22:42,960
don't have it yet it's in development

615
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:44,400
and a lot of it's being tested on the

616
00:22:49,029 --> 00:22:46,799
international space station so uh that's

617
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:49,039
the that's the part of those of us who

618
00:22:53,190 --> 00:22:51,440
are here on this side of the line

619
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:53,200
we recognize the challenges we have

620
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:54,799
ahead and that's why there's not this

621
00:22:59,590 --> 00:22:57,360
loss of of momentum that that you asked

622
00:23:00,789 --> 00:22:59,600
about earlier but for the outside you

623
00:23:02,310 --> 00:23:00,799
want to know okay

624
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:02,320
i see this vehicle why can't we just put

625
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:04,080
humans in it next week

626
00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:06,480
because it's not ready it is it is we

627
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:08,720
don't have the all the technology that

628
00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:11,360
we want and need nor do we have the

629
00:23:17,669 --> 00:23:14,000
knowledge that we want and need to make

630
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:17,679
that trip uh survivable by humans so so

631
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:19,440
there are a lot of gaps that have to be

632
00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:23,280
filled between now and then

633
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:24,400
we're also getting a lot of good

634
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:25,919
questions from social media i've got a

635
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:29,200
couple here at christy marshall ask what

636
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:31,039
data will be collected during the test

637
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:33,840
flight and in a related question at tech

638
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:36,000
guy king asked what the cat will the

639
00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:37,760
capsule carry more sensors than a normal

640
00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:43,990
yeah for uh for eft one and we're

641
00:23:47,269 --> 00:23:45,600
looking at for the

642
00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:47,279
first two

643
00:23:52,470 --> 00:23:50,159
exploration mission vehicles for eft one

644
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:52,480
we're flying 1200 additional sensors

645
00:23:55,669 --> 00:23:54,960
from the nominal set that we would look

646
00:23:58,149 --> 00:23:55,679
at

647
00:23:59,830 --> 00:23:58,159
on each of our vehicles so we're heavily

648
00:24:02,830 --> 00:23:59,840
instrumented

649
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:02,840
in vibration in

650
00:24:07,190 --> 00:24:04,720
temperatures uh to make sure that we

651
00:24:09,909 --> 00:24:07,200
understand the environments um

652
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:09,919
and all of the event timing to make sure

653
00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:11,360
all of the events happen when they're

654
00:24:15,269 --> 00:24:12,640
supposed to be happening so we're

655
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:15,279
heavily instrumented uh for this vehicle

656
00:24:21,990 --> 00:24:18,240
and that has taken up quite a bit of the

657
00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:22,000
computer space we've actually added some

658
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:23,600
development flight instrumentation

659
00:24:31,029 --> 00:24:25,279
computers just to handle the volume of

660
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:33,990
hi um i have a question from mr guyer um

661
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:36,480
is orion still considered a backup for

662
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:39,679
commercial crew and if so at what point

663
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:42,000
in the testing program will

664
00:24:45,909 --> 00:24:43,679
what you need to do to prepare for a

665
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:45,919
space station mission kind of diverge

666
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:48,720
what you're doing for the primary

667
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:50,799
goal of the spacecraft which is to do

668
00:24:54,390 --> 00:24:53,360
the deep space exploration

669
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:54,400
off the hook

670
00:25:00,549 --> 00:24:55,520
no

671
00:25:02,149 --> 00:25:00,559
commercial vehicles for for a number of

672
00:25:05,350 --> 00:25:02,159
reasons one is

673
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:05,360
we made a commitment to industry that we

674
00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:07,440
would not compete with them

675
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:09,840
uh if we had if we had said we're going

676
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:12,720
to keep orion as a backup

677
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:15,440
there were serious doubts as to whether

678
00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:17,760
industry would have made the investment

679
00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:18,720
at all

680
00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:20,559
in a commercial crew vehicle because

681
00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:22,799
their assumption was okay if nasa is

682
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:24,159
going to build a vehicle to go to low

683
00:25:27,510 --> 00:25:25,760
earth orbit what is nasa going to want

684
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:27,520
to use naturally they're going to want

685
00:25:32,789 --> 00:25:30,480
to use their own vehicle so orion while

686
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:32,799
it can or will be capable of going to

687
00:25:36,549 --> 00:25:34,799
the international space station is not

688
00:25:38,789 --> 00:25:36,559
designed to do that not intended to do

689
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:38,799
that and in no way do we intend to

690
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:39,840
compete

691
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:42,320
with our industry partners and it's a

692
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:43,360
bad

693
00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:46,960
when we have to send orion to the

694
00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:48,640
international space station because it

695
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:49,600
means

696
00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:51,200
either we've lost

697
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:53,360
each of the vehicles that was designed

698
00:25:56,549 --> 00:25:54,480
to do that

699
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:56,559
some through some accident or they

700
00:26:01,430 --> 00:25:59,520
failed or something so we don't want to

701
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:01,440
have to rely on orion to do that it

702
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:03,200
means industry it means american

703
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:05,360
industry has failed and i don't think

704
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:07,679
any of us wants to see that so so get

705
00:26:11,350 --> 00:26:10,000
orion going to the international space

706
00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:11,360
station out of your mind i don't care

707
00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:14,080
what anybody says that is not our intent

708
00:26:19,269 --> 00:26:16,720
it's not being built that way uh it

709
00:26:21,669 --> 00:26:19,279
would be a waste of the taxpayers money

710
00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:21,679
you know for me to ask mark to configure

711
00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:23,679
orion to go to the international space

712
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:25,600
station just bluntly

713
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:34,470
i i have a question for colonel cabana

714
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:36,960
could can you address the safety of

715
00:26:40,950 --> 00:26:38,960
orion as a former space shuttle

716
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:40,960
commander how much safer would it be

717
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:44,000
than one of the shuttles that you flew

718
00:26:47,909 --> 00:26:46,080
i'd fly on it on this four hour flight

719
00:26:48,789 --> 00:26:47,919
if it would get me out of a few meetings

720
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:48,799
but

721
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:50,159
it

722
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:52,799
orion is safe in in many ways you know

723
00:26:55,350 --> 00:26:54,080
one of the things that we looked at

724
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:55,360
after uh

725
00:26:59,669 --> 00:26:58,080
colombia and the team here just did a

726
00:27:02,070 --> 00:26:59,679
phenomenal job we were talking this

727
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:02,080
morning how clean atlantis was after it

728
00:27:06,230 --> 00:27:03,840
came back after the final space shuttle

729
00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:06,240
mission but having the capsule up on top

730
00:27:09,909 --> 00:27:07,760
of the rocket out of that debris

731
00:27:12,870 --> 00:27:09,919
environment having an escape system on

732
00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:12,880
the capsule that can get the crew

733
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:14,559
from anytime from

734
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:17,279
liftoff to main engine cut off safely

735
00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:19,679
back to earth with no black zones

736
00:27:24,789 --> 00:27:22,720
this is going to be a much safer vehicle

737
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:24,799
in the launch environment than the the

738
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:28,000
shuttle was so uh i think the team is

739
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:30,080
just doing an outstanding job and

740
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:38,470
we have time for uh one more if there's

741
00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:42,950
go ahead james

742
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:44,799
i'll narrow it to one uh uh

743
00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:47,200
general bolden justin excuse me in the

744
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:50,320
context of uh the discussion about orion

745
00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:52,159
as a potential backup vehicle can can

746
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:54,240
you say is nasa committed to

747
00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:56,080
multiple commercial crew awards uh

748
00:28:00,789 --> 00:27:58,640
coming up this summer how many uh should

749
00:28:01,990 --> 00:28:00,799
we expect and let me without getting in

750
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:02,000
trouble here

751
00:28:05,110 --> 00:28:03,120
and trying to get into bill

752
00:28:07,029 --> 00:28:05,120
gerstenmaier's

753
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:07,039
job bill gerstenmaier is the head of

754
00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:08,960
human exploration is the source election

755
00:28:14,310 --> 00:28:11,440
official so i won't even venture to try

756
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:14,320
to guess our desire is to have multiple

757
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,480
providers why because

758
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:18,480
it it maintains

759
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:19,679
competition

760
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:22,159
so it holds the cost down

761
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:24,080
it gives us

762
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:26,799
reliability and redundancy if we only

763
00:28:31,029 --> 00:28:29,440
have one us provider then we're back to

764
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:31,039
where we were before where we have

765
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:33,120
shuttle and soyuz and we know what

766
00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:35,200
that's like we don't want to be there so

767
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:37,919
our commitment is to try to have more

768
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:40,240
than one provider the budget will

769
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:42,480
determine that to a great extent

770
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:43,440
and

771
00:28:48,149 --> 00:28:46,000
more than one doesn't mean

772
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:48,159
fractions like we've seen somewhat so

773
00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:50,080
far right i mean it's either full or

774
00:28:52,950 --> 00:28:51,600
it's not right

775
00:28:57,190 --> 00:28:52,960
you're getting into

776
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:57,200
what do we call this uh

777
00:29:01,110 --> 00:28:58,799
i don't want to go there let me let me

778
00:29:03,269 --> 00:29:01,120
not do that because i don't know

779
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:03,279
i will i will infringe upon something

780
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:05,679
that's going to get me in in in legal

781
00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:07,919
problems but let's just say

782
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:09,919
more than one provider means when we

783
00:29:13,510 --> 00:29:11,200
start flying

784
00:29:17,590 --> 00:29:13,520
humans on commercial spacecraft like in

785
00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:17,600
2017 ideally i would like to have

786
00:29:23,110 --> 00:29:20,240
two people at least who can provide

787
00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:23,120
transportation for our crew either today

788
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:25,279
or pretty soon after that so that's

789
00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:26,640
that's all i'm going to say and stay out

790
00:29:30,549 --> 00:29:29,039
of acquisition and procurement problems

791
00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:30,559
okay and i hope you i hope you

792
00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:32,000
appreciate the

793
00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:34,000
the subtlety there all right

794
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:39,029
okay well i would like to thank our

795
00:29:43,110 --> 00:29:41,039
participants for

796
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:43,120
talking today and also thank you all for

797
00:29:45,430 --> 00:29:44,320
joining us

798
00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:45,440
you can follow

799
00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:53,990
orion and for information on all the

800
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:56,799
progress we're making to send humans on

801
00:30:02,149 --> 00:29:58,880
the path to mars you can visit